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Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.01.31 17:07:00 - [1] Originally by: Target Painter Originally by: Liang Nuren Two things: - The OP wasn't strictly concerned about PVP. - Final blows are not a good measure of a ship's popularity for PVP. -Liang That's a good point I managed to miss: the Hurricane is nowhere near as good for PvE. Lol, another brainwashed lemming. Its not as good at wormholes. At missions its faster as it has more DPS. Just because a drake can tank 1k omnidamage does not mean you need to in missions.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.01.31 20:36:00 - [2] Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 31/01/2011 18:07:09 Originally by: Lost Greybeard The Myrmidon is a _better_ ship than the drake, flown properly, I'd say. Then you'd be wrong. I wish it were true... but it really isn't. Originally by: Cipher Jones Lol, another brainwashed lemming. Its not as good at wormholes. At missions its faster as it has more DPS. Just because a drake can tank 1k omnidamage does not mean you need to in missions. Its worth noting that its more than just DPS that matters. Its applied DPS, and that's where the Cane just falls flat on its face. -Liang Its also worth noting that when I say DPS I don't mean the estimate that EFT gives you, I mean the actual number that is Total damage done / mission time in seconds
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.01.31 21:26:00 - [3] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Cipher Jones Its also worth noting that when I say DPS I don't mean the estimate that EFT gives you, I mean the actual number that is Total damage done / mission time in seconds Please post this mythical Hurricane mission fit. -Liang You use one fitting for all missions? Please.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.01.31 22:42:00 - [4] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Cipher Jones You use one fitting for all missions? Please. I'm calling bull**** til you post all relevant fittings. -Liang I don't post fittings unless they are requested by someone who both needs the fit to help them and are not trolling, sorry. I also don't posts opinions on ships I have never flown extensively. That being said I have posted my hurricane mission fit here (this forum). I was immediately told that it was not able to complete several missions that it had already completed, and would have trouble completing missions it had no trouble with. You yourself have told me at least a half dozen times that the drake sucks at missioning, which I know for a fact it does not. So I'm not going to sit here and play "post your fit so people can tell you why it doesn't work". Im simply going to stand behind my statement and let people who actually fly BC's judge. And to end on that note, the myrm in fact can finish many missions faster than the (sic) overpowered drake. The people that noted this already are all +1 in my book.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.01.31 23:18:00 - [5] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Cipher Jones ... The Drake, compared to all the other options Caldari have, does suck. That doesn't mean it isn't the best BC for mission running. The fact that you refuse to substantiate your very unorthodox opinion is simply proof positive that you're either trolling or very ignorant. -Liang The fact that no-one can prove it without having each ship at all 5's and then recording every mission being run is what keeps this age old argument going (which ship is better/OP). If you post anything that is not at the pinnacle of metagaming on the forums it will be ridiculed. Someone will read this thread, question it on vent to their corp/alliance, and get the real talk from pilots who have actually flown ships. Thats what I care about Helping one pilot think for themself and question authority. The metagamers can kiss my shiny metal ass.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.01.31 23:29:00 - [6] Edited by: Cipher Jones on 31/01/2011 23:35:56 Originally by: TimMc Originally by: Cipher Jones The fact that no-one can prove it without having each ship at all 5's and then recording every mission being run is what keeps this age old argument going (which ship is better/OP). If you post anything that is not at the pinnacle of metagaming on the forums it will be ridiculed. Someone will read this thread, question it on vent to their corp/alliance, and get the real talk from pilots who have actually flown ships. Thats what I care about Helping one pilot think for themself and question authority. The metagamers can kiss my shiny metal ass. For PvE, drake will be heavy missiles. Cane will be artillery (worse dps than heavy missiles, and subject to tracking issues) or autocannons (never do full dps, constant movement between targets). Drake will warp in, sit there and kill everything from warp in, then leave. In other words, silince please or give proof. Same to you. I listed the minimum what would be required for proof.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.02.01 14:38:00 - [7] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Target Painter I can't believe people are falling for the "Cane is better than a Drake at PvE" troll. The guy is bitter that he posted some random bull**** a while back and got proven wrong. Ever since then he's been raging about how the epeen and efficiency people on Eve-O are all stupid and doing it wrong. I was trying to get him to buckle down and provide me with some fits so that I could show him it simply is not possible for the Cane to do a better job. -Liang Again, the only way to prove it is to illustrate it. I already told you the last time I posted a cane fit I was told it was incapable of completing the missions at all, which I had already done many times. And also accused of trolling for posting it. And to say I got proven wrong is just you trolling me. Nobody posted vids of both ships doing all missions and that would be the minimum of "proof". Posting a fit so that people who have never even used it can theorycraft it is a waste of time. And again if you use one fit for every mission then you aren't even efficient in the first place.

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